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 Post subject: Bathroom Talk (Cultural Discussion)
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Kita akan mendiskusikan tulisan berikut oleh penulis fave gue, Julia Suryakusuma, yang gue baca barusan di The Jakarta Post

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Papering over the cracks: A cheeky column
Julia Suryakusuma, Melbourne

A few months ago I wrote a column about Indonesians' obsession with bodily functions (The Jakarta Post, Nov. 8, 2007), but now I want to really plumb the depths of cultural differences and get to the bottom of the matter. This is one column that definitely should be read while sitting on the toilet (although any Westerners reading should be prepared to turn the other cheek!).

People talk about cultural differences between East and West in terms of dietary habits: People in the East eat rice as their staple, while people in the West prefer potatoes and bread. But the really important difference I now realize is a little further south, below the belly: in the West, dry bum/wet vagina; in the East, wet bum/dry vagina!

Let me explain. In the West, wet vaginas are considered sexually desirable, but in Indonesia women are brought up believing that dry vaginas enhance sexual pleasure, for men at least (read the coming February issue of The Jakarta Post Weekender for more on bizarre local traditions for producing a fraction more friction). But when it comes to bums, it's wet, wet, wet all the way in Asia!

Indonesians, like many other Asian cultures, use water to clean the anus after what in Indonesia we call buang air besar ("throwing out big water", i.e. a bowel movement, as opposed to buang air kecil, "throwing out small water", having a pee). Pee or poo, we cleanse ourselves with water, and often soap as well. This is called cebok and there is no equivalent term in English, mainly because there is no equivalent activity in the Anglo-Saxon world. Unfortunately.

The French of course, have the bidet, often the butt of jokes, but since they never quite managed to rule the world, it's Anglo-Saxon custom that prevails. Forget about Napoleon, who admonished Josephine not to wash herself as he was coming home in five days time and yearned for "the scent of a woman". He was after all "a barbarous Corsican" (the epithet he was bullied with when at school in Brienne, in continental France) and not really French -- and he was soundly defeated in the end anyway. And that was at ... ah ... Waterloo, of course. The toilet paper so beloved of the victorious British Empire came soon afterwards, patented in 1871 (although it had been produced in China since 1391) and colonialism spread it across the world.

Today, toilet paper is now associated with economically-developed societies, although I'm not sure what's so "developed" about dry wiping your dirty backside. A Western friend of mine gained an insight into this when he accidentally stepped in dog poo while barefoot on the beach. Think about it: Would you consider yourself clean after wiping your feet with paper? Chances are, you'd only feel clean after you'd washed your sullied extremities with soap and water. So how is it different if it's not your feet, but your bum?

In the old days, we Indonesians used a dipper (made from plastic or before the days of plastic, coconut shells), scooping water out of a water receptacle using the right hand, leaving the left to do the cebok-ing. Right hand for eating only please! Nowadays there are hand-held toilet showers, bidets or water-fountains that squirt the water where it's needed -- providing you position yourself strategically so it doesn't land on the cheeks, or worst of all, your legs and clothes.

However, I've noticed that five-star hotels usually don't provide "toilet shower" facilities, in any shape or form. Perhaps they are afraid that -- shock, horror -- it will make the floors wet! Do they really think that Indonesians or French never stay in five-star hotels? The result is that in order to really get clean after using the toilet, we water babes have to strip to the waist, get into the bathtub and use the handheld shower.

And what if there's no bathtub, just a fixed showerhead? Get a bottle, fill it with water and pray for eyes in the back of your head! Before the days of toilet showers, that's what people did (and I once saw a sign that helpfully warned that inserting the bottle can be dangerous!). And I'm happy to report that now even the victors at Waterloo accept that some people use more than paper: the British Council toilets in Jakarta used to have bottles in neat, stainless-steel baskets (hopefully they've kept up with times and replaced them with toilet showers now).

And why are Westerners so afraid of water anyway? Whatever happened to washing away your sins? In Islam there is the practice of doing ablutions before praying five times a day, and in Christianity there is the saying that cleanliness is next to godliness. I accept that if you live in the West, it might be ...er ...a wee bit cold in winter, but it is certainly not unhealthy. I recently read a Western academic paper on Indonesian hygiene issues that condescendingly dismissed the Indonesian custom of cebok as "innocuous", because it "likely has a benign impact on health". Come on! It's a lot more than innocuous -- in a tropical climate like Indonesia where bacteria breed like rabbits in that damp, warm Bermuda Triangle down under, it's an absolute necessity!

So I was flushed with excitement to discover yesterday there's now even a WTO. No, no, not the World Trade Organization, the World Toilet Organization (http://www.worldtoilet.org)! Seriously! Dedicated to issues involving toilets and sanitation it was founded by one Jack Sims in 2001. Its headquarters are in Singapore, it has 44 members and, believe it or not, it has set up a Toilet College to educate people on sanitation, considered by some to be a dirty word.

I may not have a Doctorate in Bottom Hygiene but if they offer an honors course on cebok, I think I might be qualified to teach it!

The writer is the author of Sex, Power and Nation. She can be contacted on jsuryakusuma@gmail.com.

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 Post subject: Re: Bathroom Talk (Cultural Discussion)
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as we all know, gaya mandinya orang luar beda ama orang Indo.

niwei, gue sendiri bingung bagaimana menerjemahkan kata 'mandi' ke dalam bahasa Inggris.

take a bath itu kalo mandi versi nyemplung
take a shower itu kalo mandinya pake pancuran

so, kalo mandi nya pake gayung cedok dari bak mandi itu apa?

gimana dengan adaptasi gak adanya cebokan kalo orang indo di luar negeri?

ada yang tahan BAB dan cuma bersihkan pake toilet paper doank?

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 Post subject: Re: Bathroom Talk (Cultural Discussion)
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JED-ReVoLuTiA wrote:
gimana dengan adaptasi gak adanya cebokan kalo orang indo di luar negeri?

ada yang tahan BAB dan cuma bersihkan pake toilet paper doank?


Thanks buat orang Japan yang mengglobalkan model "Paperless Toilet" alias "ada semprotannya". Saya demen iklan Toto ini :


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Public Area di Luar Negeri mulai banyak yang pakai Toilet ada semprotannya :)


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itu apa ya yang jed tandai itu?

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remote control kali, jed

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wakakakkakka... Jed lucu banget.. masa dikasi tanda gitu..wakakak.. kayaknya itu remote untuk menyiram air, menyemprot air, kipas angin, TV, radio, tissue, curtain..wakkakakka

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 Post subject: Re: Bathroom Talk (Cultural Discussion)
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JED-ReVoLuTiA wrote:
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itu apa ya yang jed tandai itu?


itu namanya automatic bidet seat, jadi di situ ada tombol khusus untuk membersihkan tempat duduk ditoilet dengan air, mengeringkannya dan mensterilkan gitu, lalu ada juga untuk membilas kalo abis buang air... ^^

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JED-ReVoLuTiA wrote:
itu apa ya yang jed tandai itu?


LCD panel, control pilihan buat air hangat/ air dingin, semprot kenceng/ pelan, & dryer. Malah ada yang pakai pilihan music segala :)

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 Post subject: Re: Bathroom Talk (Cultural Discussion)
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walah, kapan punya toilet model gitu?

shilda, toilet di korea ada air cebok nya gak?

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JED-ReVoLuTiA wrote:
walah, kapan punya toilet model gitu?

shilda, toilet di korea ada air cebok nya gak?


gak, pake tissue...

trus di korea ini ada juga toilet yang gabung antara cowok dan cewek!!!!
jadi satu kamar buat cowok, dan cewek gabung gitu.
pertama kali masuk ya kaget gitu, kok ada pria hahaahaa
pengen gw taboook gitu, eh ternyataaaaaaa oh ternyataaaa itu toilet gabungan!!

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iya, itu Icha pernah liat.. tapi itu bener2 digunakan yah?

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beneran tau...
kadang ada juga yang gini, satu toilet ada 1 bidet dan 1 lagi pispot yang berdiri gitu, dibatasin ma kain gorden gitu T T
jadi kadang pas kita lagi pipisss... diluar ada cowok pipiss juga
serem kan?? jadi kalo masuk yang kaya gini jangan lupa kunci pintu kalo gaaaaa... TT

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wah koq bisa dibikin toilet gabungan? tujuannya apa?

jadi shilda jadi BAB gak di situ pas tahu ada cowok di situ?

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JED-ReVoLuTiA wrote:
wah koq bisa dibikin toilet gabungan? tujuannya apa?

jadi shilda jadi BAB gak di situ pas tahu ada cowok di situ?


untuk menghemat tempat gitu, gak disemua tempat kaya gini kok, kalo di restoran kecil biasanya gini.
gaklah!!!! dipakenya gantian!!!
jadi kalo kita masuk harus kunci pintu. bukan bareng2 gituuuu!!!

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ouww.. icha kirain pake nya bebarengan ... wakakkaka... brarti yang waktu lalu itu Shilda ga sopan dunk. ada cowok di dalam tapi shilda teteup masuk :D

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Icha wrote:
ouww.. icha kirain pake nya bebarengan ... wakakkaka... brarti yang waktu lalu itu Shilda ga sopan dunk. ada cowok di dalam tapi shilda teteup masuk :D


bukan gwnya yang didalam, cowoknya kan diluar... dia yang ga tau kalo ada gww...
gw lupa kunci pintu tau

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lah kalo makenya sendirian, kenapa jambannya ada disediain dua biji?

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JED-ReVoLuTiA wrote:
lah kalo makenya sendirian, kenapa jambannya ada disediain dua biji?


kan biasanya cewek agak "jijik" gitu kalo pake bareng cowok.... gitu loh mas

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mungkin supaya menghemat lokasi kali... trus shilda udah jawab tuh.... cewek kadang jijik kalo campur ama cowok dan mungkin begitupun sebaliknya:D

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iya mgkn karena kadang co suka nyemprot kemana2 n kita yg ce duduknya jadi risih...

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seperti kata satu buku, kebiasaan cowok untuk membuka tutup toilet sedang kebiasaan cewek untuk menutup tutup toilet...

gue seh kalo liat toilet ketutup, ya pengennya dibuka aja, lebih afdhol...

niwei, ada yang bisa jelaskan kenapa orang bule gak suka cebok?

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mungkin bule emang jorok kali, jed
lah... tidur di ranjang aja sepatunya kagak dilepas

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mungkin bule emang jorok kali, jed
lah... tidur di ranjang aja sepatunya kagak dilepas



wuah bukan jorok lagi do...
ini semua soal kebiasaan aja
kalo orang indonesia biasa cebok pake air, kalo orang bule pake tissue.
n kalo orang indonesia liat orang bule cebok pake tissue bilangnya pasti "iiiiiiih jorok"
orang bule juga kalo liat orang indonesia cebok pake air bilangnya "iiih jorok"

kan sama2 cebok cuma beda alat n caranya, gitu... hehehhee

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hahahaha, aku suka foto toilet korea yg shilda pasang! :D.


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browniess wrote:
f1do wrote:
mungkin bule emang jorok kali, jed
lah... tidur di ranjang aja sepatunya kagak dilepas



wuah bukan jorok lagi do...
ini semua soal kebiasaan aja
kalo orang indonesia biasa cebok pake air, kalo orang bule pake tissue.
n kalo orang indonesia liat orang bule cebok pake tissue bilangnya pasti "iiiiiiih jorok"
orang bule juga kalo liat orang indonesia cebok pake air bilangnya "iiih jorok"

kan sama2 cebok cuma beda alat n caranya, gitu... hehehhee

kebiasaan yang jorok :mrgreen:

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